House Agriculture and Economic Dev Committee

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All right, everybody needs to be looking for a seat. All right, everybody needs to be looking for a seat. All right, everybody in the rest area out there. Nice come take their seat. All right, everybody. All right, everybody. All right, I'd like to call this meeting to order welcome everyone here this morning on this sunny day. It's going to be another hot one and appreciate y'all that showed up this morning to hear Diane's eyes piece. Coach here, you got anything you want to add? You good? All right, all right. All right, so Diane's already at the table. Diane, would you like to introduce yourself for the record? Good morning, Mr. Chair. I'd like to invite district 87 and today I'll have representatives of pain or help in me. Representative Stetson-Peter district three here for moral support and voicing technical difficulties here. Well, I wonder why you went whisperin to you. All right, Diane, you go ahead and present your. Mr. Chair, the first item is the ISP 225 94. This is a veterinarian issue that we had. So if you remember colleagues last legislative session, we changed some veterinarian issues. When we did that, as we normally do, sometimes in the legislature, we're trying to do the right thing, I guess, what we missed a few details. And so this is coming back around giving some details back to the animal health board, especially for our veterinarians. So first one would be we did not give the statute authority for them to go and pretty much inspect and look at other veterinarians. So right now, they have no enforcement mechanism right now. So if you're a doctor, there's enforcement mechanisms there. When we transition over, we did not transition that statute authority. So that's what this kind of does is look into that and make sure we get that corrected. Also, too, is if I remember correctly, there's a pot of money. It's about $700,000 that the veterinarians they put in this money themselves. It's not GR or anything else. It's special. It's their money. Well, that didn't transition over. So it's just sitting in an account over in the Ag Department. There's rules that say only the veterinarians can spend it. Well, we didn't move that over. So what this does is moving that over and what they want to do with that, which I think is a good thing as a legislator is they want to use that money to hire their own enforcement agents that know what they're doing and paid them out of this money. So it's not an increase of funds coming out of GR or anything else. They want to pay it themselves, which I'm glad about that. Third, you want to have me remember the telehealth part. We want to have that telehealth, which right now in the state of Arkansas, as you know, especially in the big animals side, we are hurting for veterinarians on the big animal health side. So if we can do some telemedicine there, that'll help that tremendously. The other thing about the telehealth part is we don't want people from Saudi Arabia trying to do veterinarian medicine here in Arkansas. That's happening right now. Yeah, that's happening right now. This would tighten that up. Also colleagues, you have a letter from the Arkansas Veterinary Medicine Medical Association that kind of describes their support and what this does from the experts themselves. And I think Mr. Chair, we have a couple of folks here from veterinarians in the association that your discretion would like to come up and speak. That committee any questions at this point? Say now if you bring your. Hello, I'm Rob Conner. I'm a veterinarian in mountain home Arkansas. Good morning. I'm Kate Williams, a veterinarian in Springdale, Arkansas. Good morning, guys. I'm Mike Pallone. Mike Pallone, a veterinarian from Rosebud, Arkansas. All right. We're here to kind of let you know that some of the challenges we're having in the state of Arkansas, providing care for all of our farmers and all of the people in the rural under served areas. You know, some legislation was passed a couple years ago to open up telemedicine for our Kansas, which we support. We're completely for that. They also created a couple of mid-level practitioner positions for mid-level practitioners to help us support you on the farm as well. We support that as well. So really the biggest thing is we don't have any really ability as a committee where we're now the Veterinary Medical Examining Committee. We're not a board. So we pass all of our recommendations up to the animal health board, which has one practicing Veterinary and on it and two poultry veterinarians and it's kind of their job then to guide the people in agriculture on the animal health board with through the decision making. For some it's a little dysfunctional. It's very difficult for us to it's not timely and we lack the ability to kind of in real time fix problems. So that's kind of in a nutshell why we're here. So I serve on the Veterinary Medical Examining Committee, but then I'm also the current chair of the Arkansas Board of Animal Health. So I'm on both sides of it. I'm the one practicing Veterinary and on the Board of Animal Health. And so when we meet with the VMAC, the Examining Committee, which is the Committee of Veterinarians put together to regulate our profession. We regulate complaints from owners. If they have a complaint against the Veterinary and we regulate complaints against veterinary technicians as well. Then those recommendations get then pushed to the next meeting of our Board of Animal Health, and then we rule on it there. The problem we run into, like Dr. Connor said, is the speed of this. Sometimes it's a couple of months in between the VMAC meeting and the next Board of Animal Health meeting. And when we are doing this consideration at the Board of Animal Health, the other members with, I think there's 10 or 11 other members. Again, there's no veterinarians on that other than to poultry veterinarians, very intelligent veterinarians, but they're not practicing veterinarians. They work for the poultry industry. And so when those complaints come up and we're asking the members of the Board of Animal Health to rule on a veterinarian's possible licensure, possibly their way of making a living, they are uninformed on a lot of this. They rely 100% on our recommendation from the Veterinary Medical Examining Committee. And these people are given literally maybe two to three minutes to read through a complaint during the Board of Animal Health meeting, and then rule on this person's licensure or possibly a fine or just some sort of issue with their continued education. But it's not the system in work, and I'm very proud to be on both one Board and one committee. I hope to continue serving on both, but the way that it's set up right now isn't very functional to have these members of the Board of Animal Health making these decisions on a veterinarian's licensure literally in a couple of minutes. And so they're not able to read in these cases beforehand. They don't have this information before the meeting. And so some of these, when we're meeting at the VMAC, we may consider these cases for over an hour or two going through them to decide what, you know, if there was a problem made by the Veterinary Not, and if there was what would be the appropriate penalty or recommendation from the committee. And then that's pushed to the Board. And again, this is all pushed through because we might have six or seven cases, and this is one small segment of the Board of Animal Health meeting is on veterinary conditions. And these are pushed through within just a few minutes of each case. And other members of the Board of Animal Health have reached out to me saying, I'm really not comfortable making a decision on a professional's livelihood on their licensure. In this amount of time. And so we've got to restructure it somehow. There was a Board until the Board was dissolved several years ago with the shrinking of the government. And I get all that. But that Board was taken away. And currently Arkansas is the only state in the country without its own veterinary board. And so that it was against some restructuring done to make it a committee, but our committee has zero ability to investigate or promulgate rules or levy any type of fine directly. It has to go through the Board of Animal Health. And again, as a member of both, I can tell you, it's not functional the way it is. It's getting done, but it's taking months and months to where the owners of the pet that have made this complaint sometimes it's taken six, seven, eight months before they hear back is, you know, if there was any issue. And then the veterinarians on the hook, mentally, no one that this complaint is looming against he or she for months and months and months before there's any rule down. And so there has to be a quicker, more streamlined approach to the enforcement and the other thing. And I don't know much time I've got here. I don't want to ramble. But the other thing is non veterinarians. And there's been several laws passed in Arkansas for palpation and embryo transfer. And we're completely fine with all that. Even the equine dentistry and that's part of part of our agenda today, we're completely fine with that as long as they go through the proper channels and do the proper licensing. But there are a lot of people out there practicing veterinary medicine with zero license. None. There's a there's a lady in Jonesboro that a veterinarian contacted me this week. She's advertising online and she's not a vet tech. She's not a vet. But she's advertising surgery on dogs, all these advertising for all these procedures. And the problem is that a lot of the public aren't, they don't know that she's not trained. They don't know that again, what risk they would be taken taking their animal there. And as of right now, we have zero ability to it has come to our attention that you are practicing veterinary medicine without a license. You know, this is against the Arkansas practice act. We need a cease and desist letter for that. And as of right now, there's there's zero avenue for that. So that's the main thing that we're concerned about. And I serve on the veterinary medical examining committee as well. And I also represent Arkansas to the American Veterinary Medical Association, which is the parent umbrella of 115,000 practicing veterinarians across the nation. So kind of to summarize everything, we're at a pivotal point of veterinary medicine in the state of Arkansas. We do not have the examining board with the authority to enforce and also with the spotlight on Arkansas with our first veterinary school at ASU with another veterinary school coming on board. It is imperative that we have a government body with an enforcement capability for Arkansas to take the lead in the nation on how we bring two veterinary schools on board with a veterinary community that's all working together. So that is kind of a summary of why the autonomy of our examining board with the enforcement capability in the opportunity to explore the practicing medicine without a license and the enforcement is so pivotal for us at this time. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I agree with you 100% enforcement is very needed at anything that is licensed. I'm a licensed building contractor and sometimes we have to self control what's happening around us because there's not enough investigators to kind of do that. In the area where I'm adding rent hospital is going to County, we do not have very many beds. I have to go to Malvern to get a bed for large animal. Now the horse doctors, they're there, but they don't work on cows. There's a lot of people would jump at somebody advertising to come help them. Absolutely. So we just hope that this will work out and we need it very badly. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chair. Members, any other questions? Mr. Chair. Can I have, can I have you explain about what's going on with Saudi Arabia? Yes, you're recognized. Well, one of the unintended consequences of the telemedicine law is, you know, we obviously it's there so that we can help if representative Kozart has a cow problem and he can't get a hold of his veterinary and immediately in person. Then maybe he can call, get talk through something. Where can I get the medicine? And we do this all the time in vet medicine. So it's really not anything newer and novel. But one of the doors we accidentally kicked open is we have two. They're actually Pakistani veterinarians, but they are licensed and accredited in the state of Arkansas because our current law says that if you've passed an equivalent of a US veterinary school and then done a residency program in the United States. And then pass the national board exam for veterinarians and then in Arkansas, we have a regulatory exam that they do not have to even sit in person for so they can pass all of those tests. Get an official thumbs up from a US vet school. Be in Pakistan and you know, literally overseas in the middle of the night, middle of the day and prescribing things through telemedicine to to Arkansas. And so and we as a veterinary medical examining committee, if they've checked those boxes, we don't have the right to deny them the ability to do that. And of course, there is no oversight in that particular case. We have no idea about their training and of course that is allowing some of the international companies to also kind of take advantage of commerce in the state of Arkansas as well. That was just one, one example of some of the unintended consequences that we feel we should have the right to, you know, to police. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just walked in, but I may not cut it, but you know, up in my area, we have a lot of people moving in, but we're having, you know, getting even large animal practices. It's getting something done and, you know, we're more populated area in the other parts of the state. We're also having some nonprofits, you know, having trouble getting people to do spade and neuter. Is there anything in these that week? Is it even open our option to try to get vet techs or people that's worked at a veterinary and get them trained to do spade and neutered or typically general practice stuff that maybe they don't have to go and travel to a school, but they can get lessons to do those. Is that even a avenue because I'm looking five, 10 years down the road as somebody we have cattle, you know, we may be in the position up there where we're at, well, we're not going to be able to get people to do large animal stuff much. Well, the hope is that these veterinary schools are going to solve that problem. You know, we're four years out on the, the Jones were a school, five years out on the Cabot school. So, you know, the hope is that, you know, between both classes, there are going to be graduates, what 650 practice and veterinarians in Arkansas now. They're going to be graduating with 400 a year here in a few years. So, you know, the hope is, again, we're, I think we're going to be super saturated with the vets in four to five years. There's going to be a lot of these graduates coming out that we hope they stay in Arkansas. You know, there's no law that they have to. Obviously they can go wherever they want to, but most of these will be Arkansas kids. And so, that, that pendulum should swing in a period of time once these schools start graduating kids. The problem we run into for years is, again, these veterinary schools have been out of state. And so, you know, most of the class are in state. So, LSU, I want to LSU and graduated in 95. 80% of our class was Louisiana residents. So, the other 20 was out of stateers, which some of those were Arkansas and came back. But even a lot of the Arkansas kids once they went somewhere else, they didn't come back. So, the Arkansas vet schools, I think, will solve that eventually. I think having some form of support for a large animal. And so, Texas Tech has the dean of Texas Tech as a good friend of mine. They are accepting kids that are more ranchy to say that are wanting to do large animal. And I've talked into the Jonesboro crew. They're kind of looking at that too. It's very hard to deny a person that has a better grade point average and better interest exam scores that doesn't want to do a large animal. And I can tell you, I've been a large animal vet for 31 years. And I was on my belly pulling a calf in the mud the other night at midnight. And the guy above me standing there holding the light, he said, man, I just don't know why we can't get any more large animal vet. And I looked at him, I said, man, you think a lot of people want to do this. And it's not easy. It's long hours and it's hard work. But again, you've got to find the right demographic of students to put in those veterinary schools that want to come out and do that. Again, I never thought about doing anything else from the time I started vet school. You've got to find those kids. And so I think it's going to be a process, a long process with the veterinary schools here that they may have to accept some kids that don't have a 3.95 GPA in front of somebody that does that is either not going to be practicing at all in 10 years, which you look at the statistics right now. 80% of the graduating class, it didn't practice in full time in 10 years. And then most of the people that say they want to do mixed animal after they get out, let me tell you, after you pull about three of those calves at midnight in the mud, you decide that kind of sucks. And so it's hard to keep that person interested. Well, I'm an animal science graduate. I'm 58 years old. I was going to think about going to vet school, but I didn't so I wound up being an animal science. But I've got several friends that went to vet school. One, I don't know, I think he graduated LSU. Kurt Richie, I didn't know if you heard of it. Oh, Richie, yeah, one of your head of me. Yeah, okay. Well, Kurt and I went where we were animal science grads. And you know, Kurt is now a vet down at denim springs. He went to LSU. But that's what a lot of those that I knew that dig and want to vet school, they got out and they just said the economics of it. Right. They like doing large animal, but like exactly what you said, you go out there and charge some farmer 125 dollars do that, but you charge somebody $400 to work on their cat. Right. And that's, you know, after a 45 minute drive out there, doing the count, 45 minute drive back. Again, when you look at the economics of it, you know, sitting in the clinic, you're working on a cat's ears pays a whole lot better. You've got to find, and again, it's going to be up to the vet school. They've got to find those kids that have the passion for that and want to do that. And you know, that's not easy to do. Again, the acceptance program, and if they will mimic Texas A&M Brent Cochlan, fantastic job out there where they actually look at where the student is from. And that, that weighs very heavily on their acceptance rate. Again, these ranchy kids that want to go back home and work around the farms and stuff for the ones that they're accepting. And there's, you know, again, they're, it's hard to do that when there's applicants that meet the subjective scoring better, but objectively. I mean, they meet the objective scores better, but the subjective score is who is going to actually stick in that and want to do that. Yeah. And again, expanding our footprint with the mid level practitioner, I think helps something. Again, when we expand that toward CVTs and VTSS can do some of that work, which we did two years ago, that helps something that expands our footprint in the state, you know, by expanding who could come out and deliver that calf. And that is work fine. That is work good. But even finding CVTs, the veterinary text, when you look at the graduate and class at BB, there may be, because I've surveyed hard, I'm trying to hire, there may be one or two kids that want to do large animal, you know, out of the whole class. Yeah. Well, you talked about, and I mean, I'm glad to see that we're hopefully we're getting a pop line. We're looking ten years down the road that maybe this is going to balance out, but even the economics of your age and my age, you know, even outfitting a vet truck to be able to do large animal. What's the cost difference? I hate to even know what the cost difference was for because a truck that we bought and when we were in college is brought, you know, like I bought my first bringing truck for 17,000 now, things, things, things, 80,000. So what is a vet truck cost if you had to outfit it for a large animal to go out and go on a farm? What would you think it cost today? I can help you with that one. I see, and so there are changes already here. It's happening as we speak. In my little town, a mountain home, 13,000 people, we have 33 veterinarians. Now they're all balled up doing small animal medicine, but what's happened is every business reaches critical mass and they reach it reaches its saturation point. 40 miles away. There were three zero veterinarians three years ago. Now they're almost, they're four. Now they're having to branch out. Everybody is, and the vet schools have, as Dr. Plonce spoke, they're taking more kids from the farm, from farm backgrounds because it has to be in your blood. I grew in Mike, 38 years as a vet. It gets a little hard sometimes to get in a truck and go out in the middle of the night and bad weather and go help a farmer. But I just want to sign up for it. That's what you do. So the truck is, like you say, $100,000. The vet box, 30 to $40,000. As you all know, nothing's cheap anymore, and then running that diesel in that truck, right, back and forth to the farm in the middle of the night. And sometimes my young large animal vets tend to be female. They take a helper with them. So it does get expensive. And a lot of times you're able to subsidize that large animal service with your small animal practice, right. So that's why many of them are mixed animal practitioners. But oddly enough, when you think of the barrier to entry to a business of $140,000, that's peanuts compared to what most of these brick and mortars are. So that also, by the way, does encourage more kids to get in the truck, be mobile, go on the farm, and as well as a lot of the mobile space neuter services as well, too. And we are taking a lot of kids. I have about 70 kids a year that come through from the vet schools. And we do go out. We do a lot of outreach. We spade over a thousand stray animals last week in my last year in my clinic alone. And a lot of clinics are doing that now. Dr. Plone does as well. But the reason is we have access to all of these students who are out there who do need to the skills and the training. And so it's coming. It may not be exactly where you are yet, but I don't think it's going to be five to 10 years away. I think it's probably within a couple of years as we talk to these kids and they're taking jobs. So they are moving out into more rural areas and they are taking more and more of those jobs. All right, well, thank you. Thank you, Senator King. Thank you, Dr. Any other questions? Do I hear a motion? Second, all in favor say aye. Opposed? The eyes have it. Thank you guys very much. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The ISP 2025-97 is to create a sales and use tax exemption for parts and repair for agriculture equipment and machinery. Colleagues, if you remember, Representative Vault and I have tried to run this through fiscal session earlier this year. Just came up a little bit short. Understand some of their concerns with maybe how much it's going to hit the budget. I think we really need to start having that conversation. We are the, I don't think it's a budget of honor that we want to have, but it's we are the number one state for farm bankruptcy. And last time I checked, we are supposed to be having agriculture as the number one industry in the state. And so this just starts that conversation looking into what it would cost to the budget. What can we do? Can't we do? Are colleagues in other states surrounding us? They do this. They do this. And so I think it's long enough in time that we would actually have that conversation and try to do this. So colleagues, that's what this interim study will do. And if Representative Vault doesn't have any questions, we'd be glad to take any questions. So thank you all for bringing this. I'll support this 100%. My dad has been a cattle rancher this whole life. He'll be 90 December the third. There's something he's asked me to do and that was try to get fencing materials exempt from sales tax. That's the next one. That's the next one. I'm kind of, I'm kind of combining them here. I'm sorry. You're good. So let me just ask you a simple question. This would be just like if you're, if you're buying feed at the store, your sales tax is going to be exempt from these supplies and tractor parts. Yes. And we have that, you know, right now we have the card for farms that for the tax that would go on there and be ready to go. Same process. Yes. Same process. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay. Was this introduced as a bill back during the 2025 session? Okay. And can you remind me because I do not remember what was the fiscal impact that the FNA determined? I'm sorry. I don't remember right now, but that was. That's okay. We can find it. Yes, sir. Thanks. All right. Can I say something to about that though? I will say agriculture brings in over $20 billion to the state of Arkansas. And like he said, we're number one for farmers filing bankruptcy. We have to find some kind of way to help farmers out to stay alive in our state if we want to continue to collect those tax dollars. And also, too, is just want to reference what happened to Delta Pena, Pena in eastern Arkansas. We had to come in and help save that industry. So, you know, I'm sure the fiscal impact will be quite a bit, but it's not going to be even touch anywhere close when we start losing farms and not only just farms. They have tentacles that go all the way down when we start losing other retailers and other folks in there. I just want to make that comment. Representative Miller. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Representatives, I really appreciate y'all bringing this I speak to the table. As we all know, it's a really difficult time in the farm environment at the moment. My question is what prohibits an Arkansas farmer say in. Crittenden County going to Tennessee and bond parts with no sales tax. Is there anything? Nothing. What about Missouri? Nothing because I'll just be honest with you. We go up there. Sure. We go up we're 30 minutes from the line in Missouri and we'll go up there. I don't want to do that. My my family's been doing that for years. Don't want to want to stay here in Arkansas. But Arkansas does it is not on the level playing field. Your lives in people dog claw my index is also because they're part of our border. And some of ours are closer to go to Louisiana than what they are even to come on into Arkansas. Sure. It's my understanding that this would cost the state about 21 to 23 and a half million dollars. And do you not believe and I'm framing this sort of a question. Do you not believe that a 21 to 23 million dollar. Hit to the state budget is far less than any other economic development incentives that we give to other projects such as Big River Steel or Green Bay packaging. Yet the farms in Arkansas employ a vastly greater amount of employees than these other economic development projects. What would agree 100% agree. Any other questions in the committee. If not, do I hear a motion and a second. All right. All those in favor say I opposed your motion passes. Thank you committee. Ready for the next ISP Mr. Chair. All right. Last ISP 2025 98 to create sales and use tax exemption for fencing materials and certain. And so forth. So it's the same thing again for fencing materials and so forth like that. Same thing what we did in the tractors. It's just trying to help folks out in the far in the farming and ranching industry. Again multi billion dollar industry number one. Just trying to give a little little break with the same thing on the card. Same thing like you do in the feed. Everything else. We go out of state to buy that stuff because it's tax exempt in other states surrounding us. Same thing. Another thing that's really weird about this is if it's one of those what pretty fences that you see every now and then. Those are tax exempt. There's no cattle farmer using those to keep cattle inside their properties. So it's crazy that that's tax exempt. But what would actually be used by cattle farmer which is fence post the wire is not tax exempt in our state. It's just backwards. Thank you. Any other questions? Did not. Did I hear my. Oh, here we got one. Representative right. Chairman. So on the on the previous ISP. I think it would be it makes perfect sense that it would be very difficult for somebody to walk into. Like a tractor and implement store for example and buy agriculture or buy tractor parts that could be used for something else with fencing. I think fencing has pretty broad application. How would you differentiate for sales tax exemption purposes somebody who was buying. Fencing materials for cattle farm versus somebody that was buying fencing materials just for so we have a perfect question. Glad you asked that we have a tax exemption card for farmers but they have to go to Diffin A and apply for that and so all the steps they have to provide tax receipts and all that stuff. They get that card from 2025. Yes. Okay. I remember that. All right. Very good. Good question. I'm glad you asked that. Thank you. Yes representative. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for recognizing me. I appreciate you guys bringing this because this is affected my district as well. As representative painter knows I've had many farmers reach out to me. They're suffering from the same thing. We're close to that state line and so they're fencing materials big time. They're going across the state line to purchase them and they have to. They've got to do whatever they can to to make it happen. President Moore had the comment and the question of would you know would this compare to other benefits that were offering larger companies and I'd kind of also pose this question. Would we not also be encouraging our local farmers to support our local businesses even more. Would you agree with that? What I totally agree with that and here's for example is I mean look at Greg's farm supply and you're district up there. Okay. Farmers go there but they're not buying all their fencing material over there. They're going right up to the Missouri line, which is another 15 minutes above. So if they could do that there, Greg's farm supply would be booming. Be more than what they already doing that. Exactly. Thank you very much. All right. Any other questions? Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I'll try and pose this as a question but it's. We do so much in the state of Arkansas to attract new businesses to come and employ our citizens. I don't know if we've ever done a economic development incentive for new farmers to come and raise their families and raise their produce and their crops here in Arkansas. And this touches on both this ISP and the previous one but it is a serious matter in that our farming population is aging out. And if you're lucky, you got some kids that come back and continue your heritage on the family farm. If you're unlucky, you sell out. You have a farm sale. Maybe you sell your equipment, maybe your property. And you retire. And I don't know as much about cattle as I do about row crop, but our farms are getting significantly larger. You've got operators and producers out there that used to be farming on a thousand acres or 800 acres. And now it's much more common to farm 8,000 acres or 10,000 acres. I don't think it takes a very bright individual to understand that in order to have a more contributing members of society, the more number of operators you have, the better it is for our communities. You have to look at this down the road. If the current trend keeps happening, there will be less farmers, less operators farming greater operations. And if we don't incentive us some young person that wants to farm and once that sort of lifestyle, what's going to make Arkansas more attractive than say Tennessee or Missouri or Iowa? And so would you not agree? 100% on the cattle side, I mean, you don't have big farm farming cattle operations in the state of Arkansas. They're not mom and pop farm operations is what makes up most of the cattle in the state of Arkansas. And they're small to medium herds. And so like you said, if they're growing old and getting out and their kids don't want to come back, that's going to be sold and probably not be farm anymore, especially if you're outside an urban area, it may be a new subdivision. Because, you know, to try to help our housing crisis that we have now, all this does is just trying to provide a little help to an industry that has been the number one industry since we have been a state. And we haven't done anything like you said, economic package. And I think it's time to do an economic package for our farmers. All right, committee, any other questions? Senator, Senator King? Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Painter, we're working cattle this weekend. Can you run a cut date or do anything? Sure, what time you want me to be there, Senator King? I doubt, yeah. And then we've got to, if we've got to pull a calf and have to milk her to get colostrum out, can you do that? I can, but I'll watch you first. Okay. All right. Representative McGrugher. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to say thank you all for this legislation. I'm so excited about it, being a delta boy myself, farming with the part of my life. So I appreciate both of you putting this together. All right. Any other questions, committee? If not, do I hear a motion? See motion? Second? Have a second? All those in favor say aye. Opposed? I believe you pass. Thank you. Thank you for allowing him to present for me today. All right. That's it. Okay. We're adjourned. All right.